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February 11, 2007

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Ben Zimmer

I have a vague memory of a syntactician keeping a collection of book/film/song titles that are not constituents. The only ones that I can think of at the moment are "And The Ladies Of The Club" and "A Scanner Darkly".

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Hahahaha. There's more on the album to this effect, though not crossing constituents in the same way. First, the name of the album as well as the title track, is
FutureSex/LoveSound. Which I *think* (though I'm not certain) means "future sex/love sound," because he sings "...must be my future.sex.love sound" (periods indicate paused beats). However, this took me a long time to reconcile, and it still sounds weird to me any way I try to parse it: is the sound from the future and created for sex/love? is the sex/love to be had in the future? is the sex in the future and the love describes the sound? is it a future sound, a sex sound, and a love sound? etc.

Then there's LoveStoned, which is just an adjective, with no conceivable reason for the internal capitalization. As in "She's got me love stoned."

And yes, I knew these off the top of my head (ahem).

Neal Whitman

Yeah, this non-constituent titling bothers me, too: Remember http://literalminded.wordpress.com/2005/10/20/gettin-down-on-the-farm/>"Down on the Farm"?

Lance

Oh, gee, thanks. Now every time I hear Safety Dance, I'm going to hear the lyric as "You can leave [your friend's behind]."

And, yes, Ben, I believe that one of Pullum's articles from NLLT, collected in "The Great Eskimo Vocabulary Hoax", has a list of non-constituent titles. I have a vague feeling that Baldwin's "The Fire Next Time" was on that list (though websearching tells me it's from a spiritual: "God gave Noah the rainbow sign,/No more water the fire next time"--and I think it is a constituent, perhaps a (very) small clause, there); I also recall Trudeau's "A Tad Overweight but Violet Eyes to Die For", which may be a constituent but conjoins an adjective phrase with a noun phrase.

And of course the archetypical example is "If on a winter's night a traveler", which crosses phrase boundaries like nobody's business. Or, perhaps, "IfOnAWinter'sNightATraveler".

Lance

Aha, yes, here we go. From TGEVH:

1. If On a Winter's Night a Traveler
2. Nuclear and Radiochemistry
3. The Fire Next Time (of which he says that the latter two words are, in the original, "an adverbial modifier to an implicit predication"; but I don't know how he can tell that the implicit predication isn't also present in the title)
4. A Tad Overweight, but Violet Eyes to Die For
5. Sometimes a Great Notion
6. Dancer from the Dance

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but...but...Sometimes a Great Notion is one of the best titles ever! Ever!

Ben Zimmer

And yet Billy Joel's "Sometimes a Fantasy"? Not so much.

Nik

"What is J.T. bringin' where?" - Perfectly grammatical to my ear. It's just a matter of word order. Granted, it's a marked construction, and in my experience speakers usually stress all of the wh- words ("Who do you say was bringin' what where?").

Regardless of that, of course, the song title is a grammatical nuisance.

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Well, I don't think that when J.T, or someone for him, even thinking about reading the dictionary, or any explanation booklet for grammar goods. Anyhow, I don't want to be not properly understood, but we sure can assume that J.T listeners don't really care :)

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I searched for this theme! Aside from the boy-band taint, SC despises Mr. Timberlake for the associations he's created in the public mind with the name "Justin", formerly a sign of discriminating good taste among those parents sophisticated enough to use it.

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